USPP definitely wear bodycams. Check out their Twitter page and Facebook profile.

>USPP pursued a vehicle in Rock Creek Park and that driver killed 3 innocent people.

Which is exactly why many jurisdictions don't allow police to engage in car chases anymore (unless there's an immediate danger to someone's life or personal safety).

You're blaming that driver here, but it's really the same situation: the cops wanted to catch a bad guy and they created a situation which resulted in somebody's death.

Until the criminal causes injury by joyriding or decides he wants to do bigger crimes. It's time we bring broken windows policy to DC.

>made a lawful attempt

Basically a meaningless distinction here - almost anything cops do is considered "a lawful attempt" simply because they're cops.

That doesn't mean it was the right thing to do, or even that it would still be a legal thing to do if we had a justice system that held police to the same standard as everybody else.

>How would you have apprehended him?

Slip an air tag in the car or hit him with one of these, then track him down later. The car thief didn't pose an immediate danger to anyone until the cops got involved, so there was no reason for them to create the situation which resulted in his death.

Less than a week ago USPP pursued a vehicle in Rock Creek Park and that driver killed 3 innocent people. In light of that their professional experience could lead one to the reasonable assumption that the criminal behind the wheel of this stolen car could cause serious harm unchallenged.

Logic is not welcome here.

You must be new here.

17 yr olds stealing cars in DC is unbelievable to you? Do you read the news around here at all? This happens every day.

I understand that opinion, but from a legal perspective there are only two options:

1. Martin (the 17-year old) was at fault by endangering the cops' safety, and was shot in self-defense.

2. The cops were not in danger, which would nullify their self-defense claim and open them up to manslaughter charges.

There's no legal option where "stealing a car led to that outcome" because stealing a car doesn't meet the standard for a proximate cause:

>The most common test of proximate cause under the American legal system is foreseeability. It determines if the harm resulting from an action could reasonably have been predicted[...]

>A "threefold test" of foreseeability of damage, proximity of relationship and reasonableness was established in the case of Caparo v Dickman (1990) and adopted in the litigation between Lungowe and others and Vedanta Resources plc (Supreme Court ruling 2019).[7][8]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proximate_cause

With so much on the line, you understand that the cops would have a reason to lie: either Martin endangered their safety, or one of those cops is going to jail.

Kidnapping and actively attemptimg to murder a law enforcement officer.... a kid should be killed for that by an officer defending his/her life and the livea of their partners. Move along Monday morning quarterback.

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To be honest, that just tells me we allow people to enlist in the military too young, not that 17 year olds are adults.

I didn’t say it was. My point is to get them away from the negative influences and the ample opportunities to make these mistakes.

The police made a lawful attempt at trying to remove the suspect. It's on the suspect.

How would you have apprehended him?

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Ivy and Coney is the best place for F1 in the city.

Encouraging broke unwed teenagers to use birth control and decreasing stigma of condoms in black culture is definitely the same as sterilization. Apt comparison.

I would argue stealing a car led to that outcome.

Totally agree. If we could create a safe and loving, clinically appropriate place for these kids it would make a world of difference. Frankly I feel like we just need to focus our energies and money on the youngest, the ones who aren’t totally destroyed yet.

> Big assumption.

Exactly. That's why I included it. I don't necessarily trust what the police say, but hopefully there is bodycam footage or something.

Also… follow the rules on when to “give up”.

Sounds heartless? The children are daily victims.

I bet we can do better.

I truly believe that a great majority of our social problems could be solved by funding and staffing child welfare programs and providing assistance to struggling families including mental health, parenting classes, and respite care.

I'm not defending the crime he committed.

I'm saying he shouldn't have lost his life for stealing a car, and that the cops created a situation which led to that outcome.

Holy shit. How are you defending a criminal? If this was my car, I would be glad the cops tried to prevent theft and future theft.

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