Recent comments in /f/springfieldMO

budtoast t1_jdwmy5n wrote

Not the holocaust- I’m talking about N-zis. >! I grew up conservative. Last month I visited my parents. My dad tried to claim, yet again, during a conversation about politics that the N-zis did good for Germany, despite the horrors of the Holocaust. He believes their authoritarian ways of life were better. They had a “better culture and better sentiments.” But he always says that the Holocaust shouldn’t have happened, and so the genocide should have never happened.!<

You can, at the very least, identify the fact that the right does agree with these values. In both the “culture war” and their politics, they will show how they do not support change or social acceptance. They reject it outright and openly wish to go back in time culturally. They speak about this openly very often. Everything you said after your second sentence I am trying to ask you.

I don’t know your political affiliation. I am apolitical- but I have been a lot of things. Right now, the internet and the world of politics is a nightmare. Lies can become obvious with a bit of digging but most people just enjoy finding things that reassure them of their already held beliefs. I have personal experiences in my life that have led me to what I believe. I have seen people be honest and upfront with what they think. I know what the core beliefs of conservatism is, so I am not that. I’m not a liberal, either. I don’t need to listen to something I once shouted.

TLDR: You can be against the left. But if you think conservatives are against authoritarian ideals enough to try and defend them here, you’re just factually wrong (hence “if you’re not more center after that, you didn’t listen” from my first comment to you)

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inadril t1_jdwliia wrote

I’ve never heard anyone on either side claim the holocaust was a good thing.

I have heard both major sides claiming the other claimed the holocaust was a good thing.

I have seen all the many descriptors flung around by every side and even found the exemplars of each everywhere.

I’ve also noticed the striking similarities between us and the major powers of history falling to utter ruin with millions dead by the hands their own people.

Will you repeat the mistakes of ages supposedly passed?

Will you participate in the utter destruction of your own home over hyperbole and ignorance?

The dehumanization and vilification of party against party already has our countrymen at each other’s throats. Many have been killed for mere affiliations.

Are you really okay with being a part of that?

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Advanced_Car1599 t1_jdwh9gz wrote

So the way I'm reading this, you're combining a truthful/non-truthful comment as well as evidence or context of that comment. Those items are non synonymous. From a legalistic standpoint, "the whole truth" refers to the truthful statement plus context or suggested evidence to support the truthful statement. The "whole truth" does not imply there is any ambiguity around the factual occurrence of the event/etc in question based on context.

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budtoast t1_jdwc86a wrote

This wouldn’t be a problem if people who are on the right didn’t literally try to defend actions done during the Holocaust. If you hang around them long enough, you’ll hear what I’m talking about. >!Saying things like N-zis did good things for Germany, etc.!<

I’d be defending them or maybe even on their side had they not signaled these beliefs more and more as I got older.

Noticed the sarcasm though. I don’t care

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budtoast t1_jdw8ezu wrote

I used to BE someone who disagrees with me, let alone listen to them. I have to listen to them every day (they’re my entire family)

I would repeat harmful lies about the Holocaust without knowing they were lies. It’s just what my parents told me

If you agree with those who disagree with me now, I’m nervous for your future. You’ve had ample time to listen to those on the left and hear their perspectives. If you’re not more center after that, I’m afraid you didn’t listen.

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SomethingClever2022 t1_jdvy65u wrote

Finding left-leaning people can be difficult, but the Greene Co Dem office is on Fremont/Sunshine and there might be volunteer opportunities. We have 3 dem state reps (Crystal Quade, Betsy Fogle, and Stephanie Hein) maybe they would be a good place to see if they need any volunteers? Left people are here-we just hide sometimes!!! Welcome! Glad you’re here!

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