Recent comments in /f/singularity

Imherehithere t1_jdz7s6q wrote

Yeah, to add to your point, not just Christians but also Muslims and basically anyone who believes in afterlife... I think they are not normal for believing in completely unfounded and unscientific fairy tales, but they are likely just as vulnerable as people on this sub. They may have lost a loved one or at a desperate situation themselves, so they are not emotionally ready to rationally argue about afterlife. I believe ai will significantly improve our lives and cure Manu diseases but the singularity will not happen in 100 years at least.

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Yesyesnaaooo t1_jdz7h0e wrote

I keep saying this but it seems to me that these LLM's are exposing the fact that we aren't as sentient as we thought we were, that the bar is much lower.

If these LLM''s could talk and their data set was the present moment - they'd already be more capable than us.

The problem is no longer scale but speed of input and types of input.

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Ok_Faithlessness4197 t1_jdz5m2l wrote

I just read the second article you linked, and it does not provide any scientific basis for the bounds of an intelligence explosion. Given the recent uptrend in AI investment, I'd give 5-10 years before an ASI emerges. Primarily, once AI takes over microprocessor development, it will almost certainly kickstart this explosion.

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CertainMiddle2382 t1_jdz5lm0 wrote

Most important news of last weeks developments is that even trivial LLM models can produce almost intelligent behaviors, and that even those very simple models escape their makers comprehension.

We can’t even understand pre AGI AI, imagine what is coming…

The black box nature of AI amazes me, it is not that we don’t grasp the details, we have absolutely no clue about what they are capable of, what a technology.

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Honest_Performer2301 t1_jdz567n wrote

Logical thing is to not do anything to drastic but, I think even if the (singularity) never comes we will live in somewhat of a utopia. People tend to get the singularity confused with other things, the singularity Is a whole other thing, in fact I don't think everyone will be able to or even want to live in the singularity.

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CertainMiddle2382 t1_jdz4ra4 wrote

Recursive self improving is trivially exponential (no « singularity » aka limit though).

Singularity comes from our need to extrapolate the past to anticipate the future.

And if the future comes too fast, thr hypothesis is that we won’t be able to do that anymore.

Those exponentials often appear in recursive things, like population biology.

« Singularities » don’t really happen because, at one point, things outside the exponential mechanism start to « push » against it. It could be food, it could be space, it could be speed of light…

The fight between an exponential process and its environment leads to the omnious « logistics curve », better known as S curve.

Maybe something, somewhere will push against AI, limiting it as all other exponential stuff is limited.

For various resons, I don’t think it will happen.

IMO, Singularity is inevitable and will expand in the whole universe.

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Bakagami- t1_jdz47v1 wrote

No, I'm saying right now will not look much different than the 19th century in the future. We invented penicilin and some cool tech, but we're still plagued by all the same miseries. In a future without all these they'll look back and say the same things with even greater certainty about us.

I'm not saying that's the guaranteed future we're headed, no one knows where we're headed. But you see these kind of people dictating others happiness all over the place. Yeah sorry buddy, telling someone to just be happy doesn't help. Telling them to be grateful is even worse when you have no idea what they're going through. It basically boils down to "But someone is having it tougher than you!" Yeah no shit there is. Other peoples misery doesn't help me though.

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_psylosin_ t1_jdz3znn wrote

There’s honestly no point in drastically changing your life, even if a hard limit stopped further development right this second our lives are going to change In literally unimaginable ways, and sooner than we think

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No_Ninja3309_NoNoYes t1_jdz3zf1 wrote

Well, AFAIK there's nothing in history that resembles the singularity. We have evolution, but it took a long time. We can claim that computers are faster than evolution, but that's just something we think is plausible. Humans reproduce every 20+ years, so if computers can do it faster, we're going to witness a cyber evolution.

And add quantum computers. Quantum computers have the potential ability to search exponentially growing space just by adding logical qubits. There's no equivalent in nature of quantum computers AFAIK. This doesn't rule out quantum computers.

The other option is biological computers using neural tissue. This doesn't seem as spectacular as quantum computers but still could potentially beat human evolution. I mean, this is not a religious argument. I'm not trying to prove the existence of God. There could be a path to AGI or not. It's more of an engineering question like can you break the sound barrier?

By the way I don't believe in the literal Singularity. There are many hard limits IMO that would prevent it.

TLDR Singularity might be achievable, but maybe not the literal Singularity. Technology could be developed to get us close.

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audioen t1_jdz3nxt wrote

This is basically a fluff piece inserted into the conversation that worries about the machine bias, the ability for it to do stuff like figure out race by proxy, and possibly use that knowledge to learn biases assumed to be present in its training data.

To be honest, the network can always be run in reverse. If it lights up a "black" label, or whatever, you can ask it to project back to the regions in image which contributed most to that label. That is the part it is looking, in some very real sense. I guess they did that and it lighted up big part of the input, so it is something like diffuse property that nevertheless is systematic enough for the AI to figure out.

Or maybe they didn't know they could do this and just randomly stabbed around in the dark. Who knows. As I said, this is fluff piece that doesn't tell you anything about what these researches were actually doing except doing some image oversaturation tricks, and when that didn't make a dent in machine's ability to identify race, they were apparently flummoxed.

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