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garlicroastedpotato t1_jdio1xp wrote

You're wrong. I can see what you're saying, but you're wrong on this. They mine the bitumen in a mine then bring it to a facility where it's processed and one of the end products is slurry wastewater. Since the waste water is a byproduct of bitumen it's technically not pollution to put it from where you got it. This stuff is more toxic than the slurry ponds and more toxic than the tailings ponds.

It's called deepwell disposal and its a cost effective means of getting rid of waste water (that otherwise has no way of getting rid of it). It's not fracking (fracking loosens up material making them easier to extract), it's probably worse.

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ChrisFromIT t1_jdim6j1 wrote

With the oilsands, they aren't injecting fluid into the ground.

The sand/dirt containing the oil is dug out, then goes through a process of extracting the oil from the sand/dirt that involves the usage of water.

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Chapped_Frenulum t1_jdilg43 wrote

This is definitely the ideal solution. Force them to remove their dyes form their wastewater long before it makes it to the treatment facility.

The thing that makes enforcement difficult is that wastewater treatment can be very complicated and not economically feasible for each manufacturer to do on-site. If it's prohibitively expensive, they'll bend over backwards to not comply, cut corners, or hide it. But if they have a process that's super efficient like this, they can mandate its use and expect much more compliance and less pushback or regulatory erosion from the inevitable swarm of lobbyists. This also is something that wastewater plants can do to economically remove the dyes that they receive as well.

Obviously corruption is the core issue here, but whenever there's an absence of activism to support "just doing the right thing" we need solutions like this to at least sugarcoat the right thing.

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Fthat_ManaBar t1_jdil4yt wrote

I believe that some people do change and I did acknowledge that. I just don't think most people do. It takes a lot of introspection when you mess up to establish why something happened, address the root of the issue, and correct it so it doesn't happen again. People who can do that are capable of changing and often care enough to change. I've had people in my life who royally messed up, acknowledged it, and did the work to make sure it doesn't happen again. I know they beat themselves up about it, I know the are legitimately sorry for it, and I don't doubt that it probably eats at them when they think about it. Those people are capable of change and they do learn from their mistake and grow from it. I've also had people in my life that make a mistake and might apologize for it in the moment but when the circumstances align again for the mistake to repeat itself it happens again. Those people didn't change and likely wont. I've encountered more people who don't change than I have people that do. All I can speak to is my own personal experiences.

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Kowzorz t1_jdiki5j wrote

You can't "just choose to stop" them like I can't "just choose to run a marathon". But I could condition myself to be able to do that over time with appropriate techniques.

Wording like yours implies nothing can be done in action to find relief or health. Now, ofc, everyone's different and some things you certainly can't condition yourself out of (like how I can't "just choose to fly" or someone with OCD can't "just choose to stop obsessing"), but I'd wager resentment is not one of those immutable things.

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terpin t1_jdij6i1 wrote

Thanks for letting me know, I'll keep an eye on it. I've had some severe psychological side effects while on it but they seem to have worn off (but so did the effectiveness), hoping they won't repeat round two :(

I did some research myself and saw the manufacturer is in the middle of a lawsuit right now due to not educating patients about the risks of birth defects and blindness. Really sorry you went through that, I'm actually being treated for something to avoid blindness so I'm praying I don't get that. It's so hard to treat and this is the only thing that's helped me so far.

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YouAreGenuinelyDumb t1_jdiivjq wrote

I think these are supposed to be used at the point of waste generation rather than a waste processing facility.

Plus, if you know the binding capacity of the filter and the concentration of dye, you could simply use multiple filters and swap them after a set volume. Once the used filter is removed, you can probably leave them in the sun until it’s ready to be disposed. A low cost makes this pretty viable.

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Kailaylia t1_jdii3mc wrote

Thanks. It breaks my heart hearing stories from friends in America who have had to make really hard choices regarding health care.

There was no medicare in Australia when I was a child and one family I knew had a bunch of children die, one after the other, of an operable heart defect. They were a poor, uneducated, inbred sawmilling family in a remote area in the 60's and no-one who could help cared.

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UtterTrashAcct t1_jdihx6r wrote

Topiramate induced. Was only on 50mg. Interestingly, a shocking amount of medications (especially antidepressants which are commonly prescribed) can also cause this in some instances. So many folks don’t research pharmaceuticals and their risks and I wonder about patient education (other than the often overlooked pharmacy insert) and physician/pharmacist follow up.

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nopropulsion t1_jdihnff wrote

I think the state (or EPA if they oversee your programs) are supposed to do annual audits or review annual reports. I'm not personally familiar with how things work on the regulator's side of things, but I'm pretty sure people will be asking questions at that point if you've got serious noncompliance issues.

I will say that there are some times where fines are preferable for both parties. A parameter like BOD or TSS, which is not likely to harm a wastewater treatment plant, is where I see this. Typically that is built into the permit in which a municipality just straight up charges extra after a certain amount.

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