...I mean, a quick search? Shows that you're just wrong here. If you haven't searched to double check yourself, you should do so.

Edit: unlabeled chart presented above may not be out of 100k like the other charts in the study. So the below is likely wrong. I say likely since they did not break out the totals by dose intervals other than stating that shorter intervals resulted in higher rates.

The interesting part is that despite the hospitalization rate from vaccine myocarditis being unbelievably rare is still more than double the rate of hospitalization from infection for the same age cohort.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1122354/covid-19-us-hospital-rate-by-age/

Thanks for the clarification!

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Depends on age group.

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Shhhh let natural selection work its magic on the next pandemic

Kitchen ppl over here dying inside

This is true. The incidence of any myocarditis post vaccine is in the neighborhood of 4 cases per 100,000 vaccinated individuals. The incidence for non-vaccinated individuals post covid infection is around 2-5 times higher depending on the study (i believe the range was due to exclusion factors of the study, i remember reading on that found a certain subdivision of patients had higher incidence and were excluded from subsequent studies)

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Out of 1.65 million people, there were less than 100 cases that escalated to the point of needing a medical diagnosis. It's possible there were more, but that's a comparable rate to, say, aspirin or ibuprofen.

Were you going to organize a class action against Bayer? Roll this lawsuit against Pfizer with everyone who's had an adverse reaction to Advil?

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I seem to recall that inflammation was an immune response. Severe or prolonged inflammation can cause tissue damage, but generally, the tissue is left intact, undamaged. I could be wrong. Swelling and heat and possibly pain, but that's just the body telling you to leave it alone and not poke it while it does its work.

And, in more than one language.

Ok, I’m not a doctor so I may indeed be misunderstanding what inflammation is. But everything I’ve read about myocarditis indicates that acute cases of mild inflammation resolve without permanent consequences for the heart. The risk of permanent damage to the heart from COVID is far higher than from a vaccine.

Wife is like this. She gets run ragged at work for 50+ hours per week because they’re so busy. But she’s so instrumental in keeping the place running, that she can’t get away. People call her when she’s off, away on trips, late at night as she manages a 24 hr trades shop with emergency overtime callouts (necessary in her field). She never wants to take time off because the work just piles up when she’s gone. It’s sad to watch and I can’t help other than picking up the slack at home, but the money is so good she can’t leave. She’s caught in a trap but she’s compensated in every way to make the trap comfortable.

77 cases in 1.6 million people isn't going to be much different from the background incidence of myocarditis/pericarditis...

In fact, we're pretty close to achieving it.

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It’s not mild heart damage, it’s mild heart inflammation. In 11 out of 77 cases, it got better with no treatment. In 57 cases it got better with over the counter NSAIDS (e.g. Advil), and in 8 cases a second medication was added to the NSAIDS. Only 2 were admitted to the ICU, one for monitoring and 1 required surgery. Out of 1,650,000 doses administered. So that’s a rate of 46 cases of inflammation per dose, or 0.000046%.

Compare that to COVID, which has a rate of 450 cases per million among adolescent males age 12-19, which is the age most likely to have heart inflammation from the vaccine (<https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8328065/>). That’s not counting all the other risks, like damage to lungs and other organs, permanent loss of taste and/or smell, or or developing debilitating chronic fatigue syndrome.

Vaccines are never without risk. Neither are over the counter medications. Hell you can spontaneously develop a peanut allergy at any point in your life, but people don’t avoid peanuts because of that tiny risk. The point is that it is safer to get the vaccine than the illness.

Lots of medicines I’ve encountered are like that. Especially children’s medicines. I guess it’s because the bottles are so small and the dosage info is so long due to all the variations by age and weight (not that this is a good solution—just the reason I suspect they do this). It’s tons of fun peeling the label back on children’s Tylenol in the middle of the night with one hand while holding a sick toddler with the other. And you have to check because they are growing and their dosage may be different from the last time.

Of course it’s not just kids’ meds. I’m sure it’s also great fun for arthritic people to try to peel back the label on their nsaids.

I hate reading through the 5-page document that comes with every pill. Great way to add stress when you're trying to avoid it.

Why not take the study title and just include more information from the abstract?

The majority of myocarditis or pericarditis events after BNT162b2 vaccination in adolescents are mild and do not require hospitalisation.

Concise, accurate, and it isn't clickbait like the title you chose.

It’s true. The only cases I had seen in the last 3 years were in patients with Covid.