I've heard of issues with the elementary ed praxis, in that it's more advanced than what teachers need to know. But for the content specific courses there really needs to be some form of baseline to ensure no matter what university a teacher went to, they have a basic understanding of the subject they're teaching. Maybe there can be some accounting for test anxiety beyond accounting for GPA

I propose we stop trying to make more teachers and instead focus on making less kids. If we loser the number of kids the amount of teachers we have will be sufficient.

-sarcasm

I think teachers should be paid six figures. Should be a high compensation high accountability job. Like nursing or being a doctor.

What about it is an attrocity? This woman could be discharged. Her family wants no onus. Are you proposing she just take up limited space in a hospital while they foot the bill.

This isn't the hospitals problem as far as I'm concerned.

I have to remind myself that 40k is literally equivalent to 29k when I graduated college after accounting for inflation. The idea that we’re paying teachers that is appalling. No shit no one’s signing up.

Bring back the paddle.

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Yes teachers unions and associations exist to protect teachers. Unions are also just collections of teachers, an issue with teachers unions is an issue with unionized teachers. Often what's good for students are usually good for teachers. Teachers unions have been known to fight for smaller classrooms, less of a focus on standardized testing, and greater support from specialists for students.

Teachers ability to organize is one of the few benefits and source of almost all of the benefits that attract people to the profession. Just compare education in states that have teachers unions and ones that don't. They better serve students.

Beyond that, what teachers or union says that schools are for anything but the education of students? What initiatives that would benefit students have unions prevented?

It is easy for you. My SIL is a brilliant teacher but she had some trouble taking it. Took her 5x before she finally passed. Some people are awful at tests or have test anxiety.

Even if he was having some kind of meltdown, he asked to leave for a 10 minute break to compose himself. He was denied, and instead they went straight to the sedatives & restraints. If he had the presence of mind to ask for a cool down period, it seems obvious he wasn't so deranged as to require heavy handed measures.

I agree we haven't heard the whole story, but this smells like the hospital is looking to discredit anything he reports by saying "he's nuts".

As someone who is not in the field but knows some teachers personally:

1. Increase/ even out pay. Meaning fix pay scales in underfunded schools and re evaluate 'overfunded' school pay.
2. Going hand in hand with pay; create a teacher fund for classroom supplies. My son's teacher pays for her students in class crafts (2nd grade) and we live in a respectable tax bracket district.
3. To combat the 'throw money at it' belief that can creep into education, use evidence-based approaches to addressing educational shortcomings. Make sure they are tailored to the community and student body.
4. Don't allow politics to dictate policy. There is an unfortunate grassroots attempt to restrict education based on religious belief or hyped up fake news. This is spilling over into parents acting like children at board meetings, shouting, and some trying to 'infiltrate' boards in order to enact restrictive and damaging policies. Please stop. No person looking at the teaching profession wants to see this sort of crap spill over into their classroom eventually.
5. Hire actual teachers to lead the department of education, and make sure those in leadership roles actually understand the battles teachers at all levels face.

I am sure actual teachers will be able to speak more to this than I will, but this is some of the stuff I've seen friends in the profession rail against. There is no black and white approach to education.

Well, it’s not so much teachers I have a quarrel with, its the NEA and the ATF. Both are resistant to change, and, in my opinion, concerned about looking out for teachers when I think all Americans should be able to agree that schools exist to serve students, not to serve teachers. I will repeat: American education needs to be reformed from the ground up. Education exists to serve students. But in order to serve students, they must find the ways to attract and retain effective teachers.

GFYS…I’m done with your ignorant ass…

Sounds like a normal day at UPMC. What a horrible hospital.

I mean I think nurses and social workers are also under compensated and suffer from the same problems that are undermining public education.

I just thought that charter schools are well known for rarely being a top destination for teachers and that more of them are nit going to cause more people to become teachers. I also thought saying teachers don't like charter schools just because they're a better alternative was disingenuous and disrespectful.

They’d just need to be performance based metrics not based on tenure or whether one has a master’s degree. Is their no way to determine how well a teacher is doing by trying to gauge or determine what level of learning was attained by students based on test scores and other indicators of increased proficiency, . If a teacher puts together a great impactful lesson plan that results in increased engagement, maybe, or increased production of students with respect to their work in a class.

Do you not think it’s able to be determined whether a teacher failed or helped their students?

Pitbulls should be banned

Your numbers are wrong. Most teachers teach 6 or 7 periods a day, with 42 minutes for planning. Above the elementary level, teachers see up to 170 students per day. I teach middle school and see almost every student in the grade, 162 students. There is grading to be done in that 42 minutes as well. If I grade just two assignments per week, and spend only one minute per student’s work (which is laughable), that’s already over five hours of grading a week. I only get 3.5 hours of planning time per week. But we haven’t even gotten to lesson planning or all the other administrative tasks yet.

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I didn’t say removing pensions is the solution. I said that people in this thread who are complaining that nurses and social workers earn more than teachers need to calculate the value of the retirement benefits that teachers get, where nurses and social workers don’t have anything comparable.

Do you really think teachers don't like charter school because they're trying to improve public education in America and its not because they promote a system where teachers have less pay, less benefits, less rights, and less protections?

And if you particularly respect special Ed teachers don't look at their compensation at charter schools. Although those schools get to choose if they accept disabled students so that might be fair.

Charter schools began as labratories but very rarely are they doing anything revolutionary. Almost all of them have copied models used in public schools. And why is such a key part of that new system of better education include the devaluation of educators? I am waiting for the solution to our problem with education in the US that doesn't involve the dismantling of public education.

What professions am I comparing teachers to? And I don't think removing pensions is a solution to attracting more people to the profession.

Give them better pay. Stop debasing their profession. Provide better support. Keep schools out of politics. Give them an effective budget. Create a good infrastructure for all students.

You know, basically do everything Republicans don’t want for schools.

His slurred speech is intermittent. If he’s anything like me, it happens most during stress, but the article didn’t say. My interpretation of the article is that he was being targeted for whistle blowing on patient neglect.

I feel there's several ways to look at it.

One: someone fucked up with the patient he had to take care of and the supervisor wanted the nurse to look crazy to cover their ass. Once you're accused of being on drugs/having a mental break down the more you deny the less people believe you.

Two: he was high/having a break down and needed intervention. The problem with this scenario is why ask him back five days later?

Either way something is very hinky.

I feel like teachers don’t like charter schools because they offer an alternative to a failing system. I don’t blame the failing system on teachers. I have worked in a public school as an occupational therapist, and I saw how hard the teachers worked. I think the special education teachers have an especially difficult job. I think we as a society need to revise our public education system from the ground up. That isn’t the fault of teachers, but they need to be open to new ideas to make education work better. Charter schools are laboratories to try out different systems.

And don’t forget, when you are complaining about how poorly teachers are compensated, that they have access to à valuable retirement plan which the professions you are comparing them wiith don’t.