They should have done two separate 11 story towers

About 3-4 blocks north of here that could use similar sized projects. Nice.

Didn’t here anything about affordable units but hey atleast another large empty block is getting filled up. Very massive project, would very much like to see something like this on the dirt land on south orange ave.

Edits from my boss took a bit longer than I thought, so decided to entertain this nonsense for a bit longer.

I’m talking about present day. Why would you think it matters if a city used to have one? Newark presently has one and many other active polluters. What’s hard to grasp about that.

Regarding your edit can we get some environmental remediation like Philly got in that case to go along with the price increase? I don’t consider studios going for 2500 being a benefit.

I thought you were done with this debate? What happened?

Its frustrating. Anyone who knows my posts knows I have always proposed wholistic approaches to development but because I defend 2.5K rent in one of the best connected apartment buildings in the country (while pointing out that the rent is very much a steal for the area) I am now a defender of luxury developers and for pushing out the poor. Atleast when I debated the libertarians, they had a solid foundation for their criticisms against me. We wanted the same things, just had differing views on how to get there.

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44. Wow! You said they didn't even have 4 right??

LoL you are one of those ppl that can't take an L and just keeps talking. We aren't talking about getting rid of incinerators. I'm in the middle of eviscerating your absurd assertion that Philly had less of a pollution/superfund/incineration problem than Newark.

I was also cracking a joke...since you hate rising prices and don't acknowledge that improvments lead to price increases...i.e., get rid of the incinerator, awesome...but then you'd complain about a house selling for more. You seem like you just want to have your cake and eat it to is what I'm getting....its not realistic.

The ultimate booster... dude, I have come down on the city for its shit in the past and I am very much aware that the city lacks certain things that I would love it to have. I am just pointing out that in order for the city to attract the things you love about Philly it needs people with higher incomes to move in and not to just be a city exclusively for the poor... but that somehow makes me delusional.

I also love the fact that you keep pointing to Newark's four superfund sites and claiming to want environmental justice for its residents, but then dont point out that Philadelphia County (basically the city of Philly) has 44 in its borders (which makes it the second most polluted county in the Country)... but somehow, your okay with that because the rent of a studio apartment is slightly less than 2K. Have you stopped to think if the average resident of Philadelphian can actually afford those "affordable" rents. Seems to me that the economy of the city and what passes as higher incomes/higher rents is actually lower since the population of the region cant support higher rents.

The fact of the matter is Philly only looks affordable to people in this region because the average rent in the NY area is about 3K, while the average rent of Philly is 1,901. Just because the numbers look lower to us does not mean it is actually lower for the people living in that area. Philadelphia has a poverty rate of 22.3% which means many of those "affordable" units are in fact not affordable for them.

The definition of affordability is not the same across regions because the market in each region is different. What's affordable for someone in NJ would be considered out of range for someone in Alabama or Mississippi.

If you are going to claim that you care about Newark's lack of affordable housing and its environmental issues, atleast also pretend to care about it in Philly. Because what is happening in Newark is not exclusive to here. Developers all over are buying up properties and making the new housing more expensive than the current economy of those cities can actually support without outside residents moving in. Philly is going through the same housing unaffordability as Newark, but somehow because of Newark's 4 superfund sites its a bad look yet not in Philly with 40 more (many of which are literally steps away from Center City and a few in predominately black North Philly).

Love you calling me delusional because I have a differing opinion about Newark's nightlife and access to mass transit and walkability. Nightlife is up for debate, as I would put up the Ironbound's options up against most cities, but access to mass transit and walkability when Newark's population density is higher than Philly's and much more concentrated because of the smaller city limits... come on

I don’t understand you think it’s a bad thing for a city to get rid of an incinerator? This is a weird reflexive “my team vs your team” thing that I don’t get. You want to live in a city with more pollution or less? Philly should be commended for getting rid of that. I hope we do the same in Newark some day. Philly being cheaper and having less pollution than Newark is not the win for Newark you seem to think it is.

But are at lest 4 or 5 of them in Philly?

LoL ok. So they can put the incinerator in Kearny or Rahway next time. That way the invisible Newark Borders will stop the smog...of course it may raise prices in the ironbound!

They did get rid of their in-city incinerator though...so I'm Surprised the prices didn't sky rocket!

https://hiddencityphila.org/2018/03/back-when-we-burned-trash-on-the-delaware-river/

You gotta read your sources more carefully man. This is about a trash incinerator in Chester PA, which is of course not philadelphia. Meanwhile there’s a trash incinerator in the ironbound.

Oh you want to do it by region? Cause this includes places outside of Philly proper, I was just doing the places in Newark city limits. The bulk of those sites are on the NJ side by the way

True! But there should be more choices listed

More Newark high schools should be on this list as choices. Would make the poll more exciting.

And whattaya know?!?!?!

https://www.34st.com/article/2022/01/philadelphia-garbage-philly-trash-company-environmental-justice-chester-health

We were both making an assumption. Could have just left it there haha...

Whatever no bad blood or anything...you can actually have a debate so all in good fun. I get prices going up is scarey. If it were to become hoboken, we are all screwed. But it won't imo.

https://www.businessinsider.com/ironbound-newark-new-jersey-pollution-law-2022-8

https://www.nrdc.org/stories/industry-surrounds-newarks-ironbound-neighborhood-these-residents-wont-let-it-define-them

https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2022/08/newarks-ironbound-neighborhood-fights-for-clean-air/

There’s three. Can you send some for Philly?

Over 200 superfund sites...

https://philadelphiaencyclopedia.org/essays/superfund-sites/#:~:text=More%20Than%20200%20Superfund%20Sites&text=Philadelphia%20County%20had%20the%20most,Delaware%20(twenty%2Dnine).

That's not how this works. You didn't produce a source either. As of now, it's unknown.

Unless you have a source to back it up then it does not. Feel free to google and get back to me though. If you need any links showing just how badly polluted the ironbound is let me know.

You don’t need a 15 minute train ride to a better city if you can get whatever you need in the city that you already live in.

Otherwise I agree just pointing out the frustrating aspect of paying these prices to live in Newark when you can’t even find a spot to shoot pool, bowl, more than one movie theater, shit is dead downtown, etc.

I mean, I'd bet it does tbh lol.

And again, you're simply not getting it...what is a 15 minute train ride from Philly? That region is cheaper, period. It's not like oh Philly has crime so let's keep prices low, but the south jersey suburbs cost as much as Montclair bc of equal amentities inside the town, in a vacuum...no...its our suburbs are more pricey than Philly's, Newark is more pricey than similar parts of Philly, and NY at its apex is more pricey than downtown Philly, etc etc. It's not a reflection of Philly issues, it's that Philly is not located in such a desirable region the way Newark is. Newark again, is not in a vacuum. It's still affordable for the region precisely bc of the issues you point out, but its gonna have higher prices due to factors like the region ya know? Also, as it gets more amenities etc, it goes up in price. Hence this house...go literally 10 mins up Bloomfield Ave and that same house is 1.5-2 million.

You complain about artificial inflationary prices...how about artificial deflation? Should Newark stay cheaper than a place up the sidewalk just bc an imaginary border and sign that says "welcome to south orange" is there? Seems silly. Just as silly as pretending the border exists so as to deny people educational opportunities and etc.

You've got nuanced views and can see the flaws in a myriad of ideas/discussions...thats just being an inquisitive mind and being open...its frowned upon these days lol!! Today you are the poster child of gentrification... yesterday, you were anti-developer....its all just weak attempts to put you into a limited box so that folks don't feel threatened by being challenged on their stances. Frustrating sometimes.