Does Philly have four superfund sites in it along with multiple active polluters, including a trash incinerator, a stones throw from its most densely populated neighborhood in the city? Philly has a multitude of issues but that’s actually reflected in the cost of living there, unlike in Newark where you are paying New York metro area premixed for a very lacking urban experience

White wash? Several young well-off professionals of color...but ok. And yeah Philly is an environmental beacon lmao.

No I don’t think Newark sucks I do love it but I’m not kidding myself into thinking that it’s worth the price these new buildings are charging. And who in the world wouldn’t want where they live to stay affordable?

So basically you live-in newark bc it sucks and is cheap, and you'd like it to stay that way bc it's convenient for you?

If you'd rather live in Philly...I think the Turnpike takes all types of U-Hauls.

But, again, the size of the region is akin to Philly. Philly is huge. Newark is not on its own island. You live in Newark partly for Newark itself and partly for the greater region. I do anyway. That comes into account when discussing prices.

I just took it as you owned it. I do say "going home" but I personally wouldn't have said "can't afford to stay in my home" referencing my apt. Just a miscommunication...

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A neighborhood can offer great things and also be polluted, why would those two things be mutually exclusive? And it’s not like it’s not true: https://www.nj.com/opinion/2022/05/in-newarks-ironbound-you-can-taste-the-air-its-disgusting-just-say-no-to-another-fossil-plant-moran.html

I get you’re the ultimate Newark booster but just burying your head in the sand and pretending that a city with starting rents of 2500 dollars for new studios that is also home to four superfund sites and tons of active polluters is not a good look. Obviously I’m concerned about Newark or I would just be ranting about “crime” like the idiots that don’t actually care about Newark. Given that I’m actually concerned about the environmental racism and lack of affordable housing that’s not the case.

Also in what world do the “nice” parts of Philly lack walkability, transit, etc? The transit and nightlife options are far superior in Philly and that would only be controversial to someone who is delusional.

Ah yes, because Newark's wealthier residents are just all white people. A good chunk of the people moving into the city's downtown core tend to be people of color and many Newark residents with college degrees. There is a difference between gentrifying a city and redeveloping a city.

I also want to point out that you literally tacking on the Ironbound's pollution to undermine what that neighborhood offers. Like there are many who prefer the walkability, access to a major train station, jobs, etc that the Ironbound offers compares to much of the "nicer" neighborhoods of Philly.

But Im already losing enough of my time on this pointless argument. You dont like it here and thats fine, but just dont hide your dislike for the city behind some "concern" for its residents.

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Who said anything about displacing or pricing out residents. Last time I checked, the development downtown has yet to make a difference in the parts of the city still struggling with disinvestment and poverty. Plus, literally no one lived downtown so no one is getting displaced.

You can point to the Ironbound, but that neighborhood has some of the highest home ownership in the city with many of the landlords being mom and pop and still living in the homes they rent out. Plus, the residents there have the most economic opportunity compared to the rest of the city and many of them have been able to withstand many waves of young professionals moving in for a few decades now.

I do think Newark is a better place to live than Philly. I literally chose to move back to Newark after a stint in NY and I could of easily left for Philly. The city has better access to a more dynamic economy, more entertainment options within and just outside its borders, etc.

You are the one who is disguising your dislike for this city as genuine concern for it. Anytime anyone comes out with something positive about Newark, you just seem to be ready to come out and talk crap about it. If that is your genuine opinion of the city, im not hear to change it... but its disingenuous to come here complain about how the city offers nothing for anyone, but when the city tries to, you go around saying "but the poor people" without ever providing actual input into how to make the city better.

Also Newark and most of Essex County. There are tons of single-family homes all over the area. Just not any brand new ones. Because the economics don’t work out.

You notice I did indicate the ironbound has stuff in it but it’s polluted to all hell. So clearly you don’t need to whitewash and gentrify a place in order for it to have stuff. You realize that right?

Yet, you want to complain about the city accepting new development and trying to attract young professionals. The only way the city will get those amenities is if the city gets new residents. We used to have those amenities here, but white flight happened and much of that closed down because of it... but somehow that doesnt factor into your analysis.

We shouldn’t want the people who have lived in the city to have to get priced out and to move to other neighborhoods because displaced NYCers want to live in their neighborhoods now. Don’t undersell what a deleterious and disruptive impact that has on peoples lives. You should absolutely know better.

You can’t seriously think Newark is a better place to live than Philly. Also you’re very ignorant of the city if you think the only decent place to live is center city.

Again, that also has to deal with the fact that the economy in the philly area is not as competitive as NJ/NY. People in Newark have to compete with a shit ton of new residents coming from the burbs, NY, all over the country, foreigners both lower income and higher income because people want easy access to the jobs in the New York Market. Philly doesnt offer those same options.

The fact of the matter is, Newark's poorer residents and the housing prices in that sector of the market, is higher compared to those in the philly area because the working poor means something a bit different here compared to there. Plus, Newark was never going to stay this island of poverty for long after the suburbs stopped pushing for development. NYC cannot build the housing necessary to accommodate the people looking to move into the area, nor can JC and Hoboken. At some point the banks and developers and newer residents were going to make their way over here and the city was going to accept new development because it cannot support those who live here without new infusion of cash.

This shit isnt black and white, and Newark has alot more safe guards in place to help stem displacement compared to places like Harrison, JC, and Hoboken because we have learned from their mistakes.

Yes, cause the South Ward (the area of the city with the most poverty) and the West Ward (the part of the city that is furthest away from all the mass transit) are just also going to ride the wave of redevelopment. There is a very good chance the North, Central, and East Wards are the areas of the city that only get redeveloped and the rest stays affordable just because of their lack of transit options.

Also, what are we considering nicer areas. Philly is just a larger Newark. Philly, outside of center city, is not what I would call teaming with amazing neighborhoods. I love the city because it is still very gritty, but its very much a rough town and is much rougher than Newark these days.

Bro, this... Lets not forget Montclair literally tried to secede from Essex County because their taxes went to propping up Newark (yet we give up valuable real estate for the court house, the sheriff's department, the prison, the energy industry, etc that literally allows that town to function without ever having to give up any of its land to nontaxable uses).

Its just annoying to hear wealthy suburbanites complain that newark is too poor and not worth going to visit, but once we start working on becoming a place that people would like to spend some time in, its we dont care for the poor.

Also, its funny being called a shill for developers when anyone who has been here over the last few years knows I literally got into months long debates with some who defected to another Newark reddit page because I was deemed too development unfriendly just because I supported more affordable housing initiatives/even stricter forms of the current law.

Newark is in a good area for things that aren’t Newark but for a city of 300k plus people most of the stuff is lackluster. So yeah Philly has much more stuff in it that doesn’t require leaving but the region isn’t as good as newarks. Newark however is a pretty meh city. So it’s a bit of a wash there but I’d still rather live in the nicer spots in Philly for less than I’d pay to live in the polluted ironbound or downtown that’s dead after 5 on the weekdays and weekends.

You don’t consider the place you live to be your home? When you tell people you’re going home do you say “I’m going to my landlords home?”

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Yes I meant own. You said in "our homes"... and yeah, life can be a pain in the ass...I'm a renter, and I don't have a problem with it. I mean, sure maybe I'll be priced out. Would have been nice to buy...but that would be with the expectation that the prices would eventually go up and the areas would continue to improve. Maybe I missed the boat, but its not like I'd want the prices to stay low forever and Newark not continue to improve in many areas, which leads naturally to price increases. I think its inevitable is all.

Is it though? You're 15 mins by train from Manhattan, and close to everything else in North Jersey and NYC. Close to airport, every major highway and train etc. Similar to Philly, but Phillys general region is overall less expensive. There are still affordable spots in Newark, but they won't be the nicest in town. Same for Philly. I also bet Newark has a way larger proportion of affordable units in these new buildings than most cities.

Even center city, Fitler square, etc have affordable apartments in comparison to Newark’s priciest locations. So again obviously the higher end stuff is pricier in some ways in Philly but you’re getting a lot more for that than you will in Newark. Newark is WAY overpriced for what it is.

Always found it interesting that folks from Montclair want to preach to Newark about regional equity, but their proposed solutions always just include putting/keeping as many poor people as possible into Newark.. how about spreading it out more, and having more in Montclair and Glen ridge and vice-versa? Isn't that REGIONAL EQUITY? Modern political tropes are quite inside the box lol.