Yeah I swappes the one in my MBP at some point.

Still, I considered it a wear item and ot was really easy to replace. Not something I'd fault the PC for, at some point a battery just needs to be replaced...

I’m still rocking my old Lenovo G780 I bought in 2012. Core i5 and a gt630. Wasn’t terribly expensive at the time, maybe $700-750 with an extra stick of RAM. I still use it every day. Upgraded the HDD to an SSD last year to buy it more time. Everything still works great but the battery is getting weaker… I’m lucky to get an hour out of it at lower brightness.

You can double check the o-ring inside the top … they get shifted and then don’t seal fully. It’s an easy fix (just push them back in … I remove them completely, clean the track out, clean the ring, and reset it).

I own an IBM Thinkpad that'll probably outlive the Framework :)

That said, I had a mid-2012 MBP that was awesome, never had any issues. Swapped to SSD at some point and it was still fine a decade after it was made. That's as BIFL as it can be for tech in my opinion. People saying "this is the last laptop I'll buy" are probably exaggerating. If a laptop lasts you 10 years, you need 5 or 6 in your lifetime - and that's fine by me.

At some point, "upgrades" don't cut it and the Framework (if it stays afloat) will have to be redesigned from scratch to benefit from the latest tech.

I'm sure it will last for a long time and will be easy to repair. But it certainly won't last forever.

For example, in 2018 I bought an ipad Pro and 5 years later it's still terrific. No stutters or anything... It fully replaced my MBP last year when I sold the laptop (and still got 300€ for it!). I'm sure it'll be totally fine for the next 5 years, possibly even 10...

I wouldn't say "it holds up better enough to justify the price" , however, the experience is worth the price. I have to replace my costco underwear slightly more often than my saxx but the experience is worth the price over longevity cus you do get loads of pairs to bridge the gap if that's all you care about. If I had to quantify, the durability is like 20% superior and therefore durability to price isn't the value indicator to lean on.

Nothing wrong with it at all. It’s a fun and versatile solution! You should get another one to pair off!

You know, this is essentially the truth, the plastic shell is one day going to break, the flash memories won't be able to hold a charge and dead sectors will increase with time. Youl might get more SEU as the silicon ages. Capacitors will leak. It definitely is a finite lifetime.

But as Moores law slows down, the processors aren't getting exponentially quicker and memory isn't getting exponentially more dense - an older model doesn't become out dated quite so quickly, and a laptop a generation old perhaps becomes more desirable than it once was.

Framework aren't advocating the last laptop youl ever buy, that would be a little ridiculous- but they are "revolutionising" right to repair for laptop - making parts accessible, replaceable, upgradeable, including the board level drawings I believe. They provide drawings for a case that can be 3d printed for the motherboard to be turned into a desktop. They're attempting to undo the last 30 years of damage done by manufacturers who only want to manufacture for the sake of manufacture.

When your apple macbook battery reaches 1000 power cycles, you get an unblockable popup saying "service required" - until you have the battery replaced at significant markup on what it actually should cost. When the screen suffers "staingate" they charge $900 for a replacement screen, even though an entire new laptop is $1400. When your SSD goes, but because it's a proprietary connector and Apple no longer manufactures that type.. when your laptop is mostly held together with glue and never intended to come apart "no user serviceable components inside"

The computing industry is loaded with manufacturers of Ewaste and this is the problem. A 10/20$ part breaking writes off the entire device leaving no options.

To me, this is what framework is really addressing. E Waste. This is what BIFL really means. It's a well designed product that will stand the test of time because it is either bullet proof, or has a good upgrade/ maintenance path and not just a "one and done"

Outdoor nature school sounds very cool!

I own a system76 Darter Pro for the same reason

My kids have Zak! Designs double walled stainless water bottles that work great. They have destroyed everything they've had prior to these. They are pretty dented after a year and most of the paint worn off put holding up. We live high up in the mountains and go up and down 2500 ft altitude just doing errands and almost every water bottle with an internal straw would leak from air pressure change, these do not. We have the kind with the straw and lid that closes and latches, push a button on the front and it pops open. They have a pretty convenient handle which is nice because I always end up carrying them when hiking.. We have tall ones that dont seem to be on Amazon anymore or their website, they can be top heavy anyway and fall over out of cup holders when full, but the shorter ones are still listed. Ours may have been $25? the shorter ones are less. May be worth giving them a try, cant say if they are BIFL as we've only had them for a year but the kids destroyed most other bottles in 6 to 8 months before these.

I would start internet searching “textiles for jeans”, “textiles for work pants”; “traditional textiles fabrics for workwear”. You’re likely to get apparel design resources / leads on the type of fabric and what characteristics a manufacturer of workwear is looking for and then you could narrow down brands.

Electronics, specifically microchips, are not BIFL just by their own nature. I love my electronics but I don't expect them to last forever, it's not realistic. A good laptop is going to last 6 to 10 years anyways, really depends on how much and what you use it for. And by that time pretty much everything in it will be ourdated and you probably want a new one in general just so it'll look newer.

That’s true, especially their legacy items. But a lot of other items just look like their fast fashion counterparts but with a different logo. I would trust the quality of those

Looking forward to this becoming more popular so there are more options, 16" screen required for me

Very cool concept. I would like to see some different graphics options, but for someone just looking for a professional use laptop, this looks like an interesting option. However to see a $2000+ price tag for worse specs than what you can get for under $1000, this is a hard sell for me.

A lot of people maintain relatively consistent weights over time

Yes it's the tops and we are on 1 year for one but only 3 months for the other one which is what made me so frustrated!

Is it the whole top I need to replace or just the ring?

Hydro flask, I have two and the first is from 2013. Both are flawless

Hell yes. Had mine since 2021. Love everything about it so far.

Last laptop I'll ever buy.

Dang. Both my kids have those Yetis. They are used constantly, all day long every day (we even joke about them being their emotional support water bottles) and have been for 3+ years and we haven't had a single leak. They've gotten pretty beat up over time, but no leaking.

Maybe Pottery Barn? I know some people whose kids really like those ones.

Hmm, not sure which you need. Something like this...

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It’s actually a 400% price difference.

Yes, my dad's closet. I don't think he's bought a new garment since the early 2000s. Many suits from the 90s and earlier. The other thing is if you have classic tastes the tailoring for men never changes either. He benefitted from his dad being a textile engineer.